Posts by cha ching

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The Definition of Insanity: LOYALTY TO THE GOVERNING BODY

by Terry in

the definition of insanity boils down to expecting success by repeating actions which cause failure.. .

jehovah's witnesses are expected to prove their loyalty to the organization by believing and practicing what they are told.. does this lead to success or failure?.

ask the thousands of loyal believers who were led to expect armageddon in 1914, 1925, 1975!.

cha ching

Funny Terry, my husband was just saying, "I could start a blog right now using:

"Policy Failure = G.B. failure = No H.S.= Who cares what the 8 men think now"

I said, "Sorry dear, Terry just did it"

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Governing Body humility: crapping their pants and admitting it stinks

by Terry in

we've all heard the old saying:.

any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.

in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.. presumably the prayer invokes holy spirit of jehovah.

cha ching

Exactly BudBayView!

If "the Son of God" doesn't put Thomas down for "certainly not believing,"

"unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side" John 20:24-28

then "who is mortal man", the GB, to put anyone down for requesting the same?

Hmmmm?

Oh yeah.... the "faithful and discreet slave"

the ones who "follow in Christ's footsteps", the ones who "nurture his sheep"

Christ's example:

Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: "May YOU have peace." 27　Next he said to Thomas: "Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing." 28　In answer Thomas said to him: "My Lord and my God!"

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Governing Body humility: crapping their pants and admitting it stinks

by Terry in

we've all heard the old saying:.

any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.

in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.. presumably the prayer invokes holy spirit of jehovah.

cha ching

HaHa EyeUse2badub!

That was a good laugh!

"I was really in the "GUESS"!

cha ching

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Reasonable Doubt & Justice

by cha ching in

would it be fair for jehovah god to execute 7 billion people, when there is reasonable doubt about the teachings of jws?.

in a murder trial, you are instructed not to condemn someone to death, if there is reasonable doubt?.

what if you cannot believe in overlapping generations?.

cha ching

Very good Smiddy, if I was in the courtroom, the evidence that you presented is clear, easy to understand, and would create "reasonable doubt."

from June of 2010, when this whole "overlapping" thing began... I loved the comment by:

Darth Plageuis: If you knew someone who knew someone who saw someone who knew this guy whose neighbor knew this Uncle that met a guy who once bumped into a guy who knew this Butcher who once caved meat for this guy who lived near the guy who talked to a JW who once met an anointed member who was alive during 1914....... I can buy that.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/194633/2/Explaining-the-NEW-Generation#.UqHcwq-A20A

Oh my my.... what a wicked web they weave, when first they started to deceive....

cha ching....

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Reasonable Doubt & Justice

by cha ching in

would it be fair for jehovah god to execute 7 billion people, when there is reasonable doubt about the teachings of jws?.

in a murder trial, you are instructed not to condemn someone to death, if there is reasonable doubt?.

what if you cannot believe in overlapping generations?.

cha ching

Great, Blues Brothers... I love that quote. A "reasonable" person should doubt someone (the "GB") who can't get it right for over 100 years,

When that reasonable person, in turn, starts doubting.... they are called "human hot dogs," "bird food," "manure", "mentally diseased," & now I can add "pests that need to be exterminated" to my list of "ambient abuse" phrases.

Cofty.... I really hope so, I have fam & friends I'd like to reach...

Adamah... Once you see how the WT dog hunts, you see it in all their publlications. They congratulate you & make you feel good about "wondering," whilest ensuring you "God is love," and then.... when you are hooked about feeling good, using phrases like "safeguarding", "health" and "family," things you care about.... then ..... your mind is led to believe it all must fit together, to "accept" the pest control package... so, that "must be good"

If we were to put "Hitler" in that paragraph, explaining how he got countries to go along with his twisted genocidal ideas, you would have agreement that it is wrong.

Band on the Run... Yes, it makes me sick too.. A universal desire...... justice.....

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Reasonable Doubt & Justice

by cha ching in

would it be fair for jehovah god to execute 7 billion people, when there is reasonable doubt about the teachings of jws?.

in a murder trial, you are instructed not to condemn someone to death, if there is reasonable doubt?.

what if you cannot believe in overlapping generations?.

cha ching

Smiddy... very good, simple, right on the target points for "reasonably doubting" the WT's "overlapping generations"

You reminded me of the WT's beginning:

1874 USE to be the beginning of Christ's return.

1914 USE to be the date for Armageddon.

40 years.........

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Surrounded - Yet All Alone at the same Time

by offgrid5150 in

jw
friends

i've been lurking for a while,but figured i'd introduce myself.

i was born in, and i'm 30 years old.

it's hard to just read as a guest, and not share with anyone eventually.

cha ching

Congrats!

My husband started seeing things before I did... Why? He read, he studied, and he told me things.

Once I got a hold of an old book, "The Finished Mystery" and read page 230 (They started explaining what the meaning of Rev 14:20, using the Hoboken Tunnel, measuring distances between buildings, and coming up with the craziest reasonings.. boiling down to numerology.. change numbers to make them work... especially with this 'overlapping generations." The books says:

The mileage from the Scranton to Hoboken Terminal is shown in time tables as 143.8 and this is the mileage charged to passengers, but in 1911, at an expense of $12,000,000 the Lackawanna Railroad completed it’s famous cut-off, saving 11 miles of the distance. From the day the cut-off was completed, the trainmen have been allowed 11 miles less than the time table shows, or a net distance of ….. 132.8 (I cried when I saw the similarities of how the WT just changes things when necessary)

Maybe have the book in your hand, say Hmmm? what are they saying? let her explain... ask, "Why did they take 11 miles out when they changed the Railway?"I think asking questions, and reallllllly letting her answer is the best.

But don't do it toooo much, sometimes I was driven crazy when the same things were repeated over and over. Personally, I w/have liked the direct approach, and when we eventually went thru the 2011 WT's about 607 together, collecting info, discovering reality, it was a team effort.

College?can you get her to take classes, take her mind in different directions? Vacations where you miss some meetings? Enjoy some real life? Take her away from the "full time" association? Start going to 'country line dancing', or the gymor biking/ rafting, karaoke? Some kind of hobbytogether?

How about asking her to work part timeto help out? Maybe you could point out many older ones don't have retirement, and they should have planned... or maybe they don't have Social Security because they didn't work? Point out that "maybe the light will get brighter," and the two of you may be in others situations if the end is "in the future" by a hundred years...

Have her start reading books with you... "Reading Lolita in Iran" is an interesting book, as it is from the viewpoint of a woman who grew up in a 'free Iran,' returned, and found it taken over by religious zealots that did not allow free thinking... It could be a story about JWs... But, since it is from a different viewpoint (a teacher in Iran) lessons may be learned easier (it's not against JWs)... "Lipstic Jihad" is another one... also about Iran.. but it helps you learn that things aren't always what they seem at face value... good lessons to be learned.

Science fictionhas always allowed people to 'have their comments' about things when there is social pressure... Can you get her to watch "The Matrix"? Blue pill/ red pill.... Then you can ask questions, "what would you do? would you rather not know?"

If she is smart, and you show her love, and patience, there is a better chance you can make it. All of my family is out, I am so thankful, but it took some time, cracks in the dam, and eventually, it broke. And yes, you are young, be glad you still have a chance to plan for a future.

Wishing you well, cha ching

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Reasonable Doubt & Justice

by cha ching in

would it be fair for jehovah god to execute 7 billion people, when there is reasonable doubt about the teachings of jws?.

in a murder trial, you are instructed not to condemn someone to death, if there is reasonable doubt?.

what if you cannot believe in overlapping generations?.

cha ching

Thanks for all the interesting comments, our brains are all so different, and "don't we just looooove" that fact!

Bobcat: Yes, the WT has it's own type of justice... and "don't we just HATE that!" I have started to check out your links, but need a bit more time. Thx for the links. Luv those bullets!
Simon & LongHaired Gal...that is pretty sad indeed... to expect people born on an island far, far away to somehow "figure it all out," is just wrong. No loving parent would kill their child just because of their ignorance.
DOC: "Independent thinking"??? Why do I love those words?
Bobcat: I really like those links to the independent thinking, I found one that is pretty interesting, by biblthumper of "__ ministries" He was a 5th generation JW, and he speaks to JW's who realize "something just isn't right in the Org, but can't quite put their finger on it.'

He mentioned something that has rung true with me.: If Paul, an apostle... "above" the GB, can say "If I or an angel out of heaven tell you something other than the good news" go ahead and question it, then why can't WE question the GB?

Adamah: Thx, you make my point. If you were to ask a witness if it were fair to sentence someone to death if you have "reasonable doubt," they would agree with you, and say "no." From their viewpoint, Christ's sacrifice covers over the "all are evil and deserve to die from birth" [inherited sin] mentality.
They think that if you do good to Christ's brothers, the GB, you are doing good to Christ, and will get everlasting life
. However, my point was to help someone come to the conclusion that "If killing a person without evidence is shocking to you, then wouldn't you find it shocking for Christ to kill you because you see the flaws in the .. "the overlapping generation teaching" ?... You have "reasonable doubt"

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Reasonable Doubt & Justice

by cha ching in

would it be fair for jehovah god to execute 7 billion people, when there is reasonable doubt about the teachings of jws?.

in a murder trial, you are instructed not to condemn someone to death, if there is reasonable doubt?.

what if you cannot believe in overlapping generations?.

cha ching

Dear Bobcat,

I must run, heading off to work, just got a chance to peek at your links, looks interesting.

Yep, the WTBTS is adept at making excuses, still.... evidence is evidence... to the thinkingmind, right?

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Reasonable Doubt & Justice

by cha ching in

would it be fair for jehovah god to execute 7 billion people, when there is reasonable doubt about the teachings of jws?.

in a murder trial, you are instructed not to condemn someone to death, if there is reasonable doubt?.

what if you cannot believe in overlapping generations?.

cha ching

Would it be fair for Jehovah God to execute 7 billion people, when there is “reasonable doubt” about the teachings of JW’s?

In a murder trial, you are instructed not to condemn someone to death, if there is “reasonable doubt”?

What if you cannot believe in “overlapping generations”?

Will you be condemned to death?

70 C.E – 33 C.E. = 37 years“Within this generation”

“Searcher” posted: Job 42:16 “ 16 And Job continued living after this a hundred and forty years and came to see his sons and his grandsons— four generations . (144 divided by 4 = 36 years)

Would a loving parent kill their child if they just could not wrap their head around this teaching?

What doctrines/ teachings/ new light of JW’s leave you with “reasonable doubt”?